Bottled by Corney & Barrow
First by this Firm. Opened and decanted.
Nose: a bit stuffy-needs some airing.
Body: full-power
Taste: very fine-young-tannic
Aftertaste: fairly long
18+/20 ; 70 F is always 18+ to 19+-what a great wine.
1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
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Re: 1970 Fonseca-Bottled by Corney & Barrow
Open another to nite 6/9/14-notes were the same but this bottle is 19+/20.
Top marks to the bottler.
Top marks to the bottler.
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
Definitely a favorite of mine! Thanks for the notes.
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John do you think this has finally peaked or do you think it's still has upside potential?
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
I love 70 F & T-but there is variation from ready now to more time?-luck of the draw and condition.
This bottle as great as it was the first nite dropped to 16/20 the 2nd nite? Some hold on for a longer
time but this one didn't-bottle variation.
This bottle as great as it was the first nite dropped to 16/20 the 2nd nite? Some hold on for a longer
time but this one didn't-bottle variation.
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Thanks. The more reference points we all have on how a port is doing the better.
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
Andy:
Wow wines can vary-had a 70T tonite 15+-16/20(very low end of 70T's).
Bottle was high fill and in good condition?
Wow wines can vary-had a 70T tonite 15+-16/20(very low end of 70T's).
Bottle was high fill and in good condition?
Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
Bottle variation makes things difficult and very interesting too. I was recently with an esteemed Washington winemaker, who has been around a very long time and is a serious Port lover too. His "theory" is that bottle variation nearly all stems from the failure of corks to be consistent in how they allow the passage of oxygen into bottles.
I wonder he is correct?
I wonder he is correct?
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
I would agree that is ONE potential cause. But I wouldn't say that is the only cause.Roy Hersh wrote:Bottle variation makes things difficult and very interesting too. I was recently with an esteemed Washington winemaker, who has been around a very long time and is a serious Port lover too. His "theory" is that bottle variation nearly all stems from the failure of corks to be consistent in how they allow the passage of oxygen into bottles.
I wonder he is correct?
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
There is often variation from bottle to bottle in old cases stored in exactly the same conditions. For these, I have to think that the corks are the biggest factor. I suppose older bottling might have been done more manually and under less controlled conditions, and that could be a factor, but with modern equipment I wouldn't expect much variation like fill levels, possible contamination, etc.
Now if I bring a F70 to a tasting and you do, I would think unknown and variable storage could be a huge factor.
Now if I bring a F70 to a tasting and you do, I would think unknown and variable storage could be a huge factor.
Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
Could be many things:
a. shipping in less than perfect temperature controlled conditions
b. storage conditions
c. left standing up instead of laying down in owc
d. corks drying out
e. inconsistency of original fill levels
That's just the beginning of possibilities
a. shipping in less than perfect temperature controlled conditions
b. storage conditions
c. left standing up instead of laying down in owc
d. corks drying out
e. inconsistency of original fill levels
That's just the beginning of possibilities
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
Pretty much what I was thinking. So while the cork may be to blame in some instances, there are so many others it's really impossible to make a statement like that.Roy Hersh wrote:Could be many things:
a. shipping in less than perfect temperature controlled conditions
b. storage conditions
c. left standing up instead of laying down in owc
d. corks drying out
e. inconsistency of original fill levels
That's just the beginning of possibilities
Actually, you can have bottle variation within the same case that has nothing to do with corks. I've experienced bottles on the outside of a case, or the side closest to the heat source which were cooked. Yet the inside bottles, or bottles farthest from the heat source were fine. I'm always amazed how durable wine can be.There is often variation from bottle to bottle in old cases stored in exactly the same conditions. For these, I have to think that the corks are the biggest factor.
Of course, cork issues can also be the cause as you pointed out.
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
A mystery wrapped in an enigma.
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Re: 1970 Fonseca -- Bottled by Corney & Barrow
True. I hadn't really considered that. I like to think of my bottles all stored in a nice cool and dark cellar, but a cardboard box in a garage or sunlit room ...Andy Velebil wrote:Actually, you can have bottle variation within the same case that has nothing to do with corks. I've experienced bottles on the outside of a case, or the side closest to the heat source which were cooked. Yet the inside bottles, or bottles farthest from the heat source were fine. I'm always amazed how durable wine can be.