Agreed. Noticed that myself.
What have you opened this week?
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I think the opposite is happening to me. I really enjoy very young VP — like the Cálem 2022 I had a few weeks ago, but when it gets to be 5+ years old and I open one, it’s for academic interest rather than enjoyment.
It’s been interesting tasting the Vesuvio 2006 over the last 17 years, but I can’t say I enjoy it that much. It’s going to be a great wine, but not for another 20-30 years.
More and more I find myself walking into the cellar and looking at what I can open and thinking “2003? No, that’s too tight and closed. I’d rather have something from the 1970s.”
I’d even prefer a 1975 or 1972 over a 2003!
My current sweet spot is probably 1975 and older. Maybe 1977.
But what makes me smile is that when we went on that first tour, those 1977s were the same age as the 1997s are today.
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I had a similar lightbulb moment last year when I realized that it's really not surprising that I'm really starting to enjoy Ports from the 1990s, because they're about the same age now as the Ports from the 1980s were 10 years ago when I first "discovered" them!
To Roy's point, though, 2 decades ago "younger" VPs were still pretty brutal, tannic beasts. A 2000 or 2003 in 2005? Yikes. They just weren't that enjoyable when they were young. So I don't think it's because Roy's getting older, but rather that Port is being made so that it is much more approachable when young.
(Roy's been saying that for years, so maybe he just forgot. You know, because he's getting older.

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I believe Roy and I are the same age (born in 1957), so with that in mind...respect your elders.Glenn E. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:26 pmI had a similar lightbulb moment last year when I realized that it's really not surprising that I'm really starting to enjoy Ports from the 1990s, because they're about the same age now as the Ports from the 1980s were 10 years ago when I first "discovered" them!
To Roy's point, though, 2 decades ago "younger" VPs were still pretty brutal, tannic beasts. A 2000 or 2003 in 2005? Yikes. They just weren't that enjoyable when they were young. So I don't think it's because Roy's getting older, but rather that Port is being made so that it is much more approachable when young.
(Roy's been saying that for years, so maybe he just forgot. You know, because he's getting older.![]()
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Re: What have you opened this week?
1994 Dow LBV. Excellent!
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2015 Graham LBV
Still a great LBV. Lots of juicy fruits. Alcohol is starting to take on a cognac-like note.
Still a great LBV. Lots of juicy fruits. Alcohol is starting to take on a cognac-like note.
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Yesterday we came home late after attending Bach’s St. John Passion, performed by my wife Marguérite and her choir. We doubled the enjoyment with a midnight bottle of Poças Bonificador!
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Sounds like a great night from start to finish. And I love that Port!A.S. Demka wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 1:31 pm Yesterday we came home late after attending Bach’s St. John Passion, performed by my wife Marguérite and her choir. We doubled the enjoyment with a midnight bottle of Poças Bonificador!
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1977 Taylor VP. This is the first bottle of this that drank really well for me. The last 3 (or possibly 4 bottles) that I had of this were average at best. I'll post a tasting note.
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Warre Traditional Bottle Matured LBV 2011. That's a great Port!
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We bought a few bottles of the 2010 (also a great port) as the current vintage on offer at our local Total Wine.
Pretty cool to be able to buy a vintage that old without breaking the bank.
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We bought a few bottles of the 2010 (also a great port) as the current vintage on offer at our local Total Wine.
Pretty cool to be able to buy a vintage that old without breaking the bank.
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Warre's Unfiltered LBV's are consistently a very good to excellent Port. You can still find the '08, '09' and '10 online and in stores, but surprisingly, the 2011 isn't listed online. I have a few bottles of each of those, so maybe I'll try an '11 to get a feel for it.Moses Botbol wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:46 amWe bought a few bottles of the 2010 (also a great port) as the current vintage on offer at our local Total Wine.
Pretty cool to be able to buy a vintage that old without breaking the bank.
The only knock I have against Warre is that usually, their LBV is priced higher than other LBV's (with Sandeman as the exception because Sandeman is always priced high for some reason).
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Warre's is deserving of the price they ask for their LBV. I would say it's best easily found LBV on the market.Mike J. W. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:27 am The only knock I have against Warre is that usually, their LBV is priced higher than other LBV's (with Sandeman as the exception because Sandeman is always priced high for some reason).
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That certainly depends of which market, here in Denmark it's almost twice the price of other easily available lbvs including Smith Woody that is also released with 10-12 years of age.Moses Botbol wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:52 amWarre's is deserving of the price they ask for their LBV. I would say it's best easily found LBV on the market.Mike J. W. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:27 am The only knock I have against Warre is that usually, their LBV is priced higher than other LBV's (with Sandeman as the exception because Sandeman is always priced high for some reason).![]()
Smaller producers are often less than half its price.
It's a great lbv and I buy it regularly for that not for its qpr.