check out this ebay auction

Alex R · Post by **Alex R** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:17 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/1994-Taylor-Fladgat ... dZViewItem

i think he or she,that they are selling them as vintage ports and not lbv bottle.

:o :?

Post by **Andy Velebil** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:03 am

WOW, those are some expensive LBV's. Anyone thinking of bidding,

jon bricken · Post by **jon bricken** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:55 am

Andy my daughter has always liked the Taylor LBV bottles so maybe this IS a great deal for the glass.

You want to go 1/2's on the lot?

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Post by **Andy Velebil** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:35 pm

Well, let me think about that one for a second...NO!

I just checked the link and the item was removed. It doesn't say why, but maybe someone emailed the seller and told him there IS A DIFFERENCE between LBV and VP

Paul Napolitano · Post by **Paul Napolitano** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:49 am

cofidis2 wrote:I just checked the link and the item was removed. It doesn't say why, but maybe someone emailed the seller and told him there IS A DIFFERENCE between LBV and VP

I didn't see the item, it had already been removed. However, if they were selling alcohol that is against ebay rules. I used to sell wine on ebay back in the old days, maybe 6 or 7 years ago? Then they stopped it.

Mike Kerr · Post by **Mike Kerr** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:00 am

It was amusing. He was making it clear he was selling the bottles, not the contents. Then further on in the description he went into regulations for selling alcohol and how you needed to be over 21.

Quite a contradiction.

Mike.

Post by **Andy Velebil** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:31 pm

kerrnel wrote:It was amusing. He was making it clear he was selling the bottles, not the contents. Then further on in the description he went into regulations for selling alcohol and how you needed to be over 21.

Quite a contradiction.

Mike.

I've seen that before on ebay...not sure how you can sell the "Bottle, not the contents" but maybe that was a loop hole to selling there

Post by **Roy Hersh** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:20 am

In the: what a coincidence category ...

I just shipped a handful of empty Port bottles to Atlanta! What a difference in shipping costs.

Al B. · Post by **Al B.** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:13 am

Under ebay rules in the UK you are permitted to auction bottles of wine / port, but only if you abide by certain strict rules (to comply with local license laws).

These are:
(1) The value of the item must lie in the value of the container and/or label and not in its contents
(2) The bottle must not be available commercially, ie. in any shop as far as the seller is able to determine
(3) Since the contents are alcoholic, the seller must not sell the product to anyone below the legal age

The way that most people comply with these rules is to state that they are selling the bottle and label and that is what people are bidding for. They also comment on whether or not the bottle is still sealed, the condition of any seal and whether the contents are intact. Some also comment on how the bottle has been stored (presumably because this affects the state of the label)

Since the ultimate test for whether the value lies in the container and label depends on the buyer, this is an easy condition to comply with.

Condition 2 is also easy to comply with. The seller simply states that he went into his local off-license or supermarket and could not find the bottle there.

Condition 3 is met by insisting on credit card payment or similar - alcohol can be purchased from the age of 18 in the UK, and that is the age at which you can obtain credit.

So there is a reasonably active market on ebay in the UK for wine and port - although caveat emptor applies very strongly since it is virtually impossible to fully appreciate the provenance of wines sold there.

Alex