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Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Roy Hersh     » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:57 am

If you were opening a 20-30-40 year old Tawny Port and a vintage Port of equal age to your tawny, both in the same sitting ... which would you drink first?
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Moses Botbol     » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:10 pm

My first thought is to drink is the drink the vintage port first as (in my mind) the tawny would have more acidity assuming a 20+ year old bottle.

I would sample both first and then decide or better than one after the other; serve them both at the same time.
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Glenn E.     » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:09 pm

I agree with Moses for the most part. At the 20-yr mark I might reverse it, though, depending on the VP. The 1994s are almost 20 years old now, after all, and most of those are still very youthful. I'd probably drink the tawny first in that case.

But at 30 or 40 years old I'd drink the VP first because the tawny would likely overpower it.
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Derek T.     » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:09 pm

I would drink the VP first, regardless of age. If I reached the bottom of the decanter and was still thirsty I might drink the Tawny next [cheers.gif]
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Phyllis D » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:22 pm

Ok, since I'm a :mrgreen: be kind if I'm thinking about this wrong.

I think the most logical way would be to start from youngest to oldest: Take a nice long sniff of each, filling my head with the essence of each Port in turn, then a few sips of each, repeat until my taste buds decided what gets finished fir ...
Oh wait, now they are all gone. [dash1.gif] Oh well.
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Phyllis D » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:43 pm

Ok, just finished a glass of the 82 that we opened up last night, and on an empty stomach to boot. So that last post should be ignored. :drunk:

For me in all cases, if it’s likely that the bottles would have a majority of the Port left in them I would go with the VP first. From what I've read the VP would not hold up to a post opening storage as well as a 20 yr tawny would, let alone a 40yr.

That being said, comparing them side by side would be my first preference. You just have to have enough people around to help you drink them.
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Andy Velebil     » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:53 am

Phyllis D wrote:Ok, since I'm a :mrgreen: be kind if I'm thinking about this wrong.

I think the most logical way would be to start from youngest to oldest: Take a nice long sniff of each, filling my head with the essence of each Port in turn, then a few sips of each, repeat until my taste buds decided what gets finished fir ...
Oh wait, now they are all gone. [dash1.gif] Oh well.

That's the spirit! [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif]
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Rob C. » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:58 am

Interesting - i would always tend to do the tawny first.

When i tasted at the Graham's lodge a couple of years ago, their preference was definitely to go through the tawnies first before moving on to ruby ports (reserves, Graham LBV) and bottle-aged ports (Smith Woodhouse LBV, vintage ports).
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Richard Henderson » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:42 am

It seems like an oxymoronic question to me because I would not open a tawny and ruby at the same time. It would be like serving a lamb chop and a filet minon together. Each is great on its own but to fracture another metaphor the sum of its parts is far less than the total.
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Derek T.     » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:35 am

Richard Henderson wrote:It would be like serving a lamb chop and a filet minon together.
With some sausages, bacon, black pudding, mushrooms, tomatoes and fried eggs that has the makings of a perfect mixed grill breakfast [d_training.gif]
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Jeff G. » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:29 pm

Derek T. wrote:
Richard Henderson wrote:It would be like serving a lamb chop and a filet minon together.
With some sausages, bacon, black pudding, mushrooms, tomatoes and fried eggs that has the makings of a perfect mixed grill breakfast [d_training.gif]


i'm with you on this one!!!

matter of fact I did this last week on a saturday (and slept the rest of the afternoon off)

was lamb chop with some sirloin, some pulled pork hash, bacon, tomatoes, fried egg and 2 pancakes

oh and mmm

I'd drink the vp first, but would probably rinse the decanters with some tawny..
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Richard Henderson » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:00 am

I suppose you guys would have a ruby , a tawny, a sauternes, a late harvest Alsace SGN , an Italian vin santo, and a vintage madeira with that mixed grill breakfast. [kez_11.gif]
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Derek T.     » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:28 am

Richard Henderson wrote:I suppose you guys would have a ruby , a tawny, a sauternes, a late harvest Alsace SGN , an Italian vin santo, and a vintage madeira with that mixed grill breakfast. [kez_11.gif]
Certainly not! A nice warm pint of Ale is compulsory :salute:
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Andy Velebil     » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:20 am

Richard Henderson wrote:I suppose you guys would have a ruby , a tawny, a sauternes, a late harvest Alsace SGN , an Italian vin santo, and a vintage madeira with that mixed grill breakfast. [kez_11.gif]

I was thinking a Bloody Mary would be a better pairing. [kez_11.gif]
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Phyllis D » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:52 am

Andy Velebil wrote:
Richard Henderson wrote:I suppose you guys would have a ruby , a tawny, a sauternes, a late harvest Alsace SGN , an Italian vin santo, and a vintage madeira with that mixed grill breakfast. [kez_11.gif]

I was thinking a Bloody Mary would be a better pairing. [kez_11.gif]



Oh and not just a Bloody Mary, but a BACON Mary. :drunk: Had a sip of one at last Sunday's brunch. :drunk:
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Peter W. Meek     » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:22 pm

Drink the tawny - toss the VP. (kidding)
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Marc J.     » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:45 am

Phyllis D wrote:
Andy Velebil wrote:
Richard Henderson wrote:I suppose you guys would have a ruby , a tawny, a sauternes, a late harvest Alsace SGN , an Italian vin santo, and a vintage madeira with that mixed grill breakfast. [kez_11.gif]

I was thinking a Bloody Mary would be a better pairing. [kez_11.gif]



Oh and not just a Bloody Mary, but a BACON Mary. :drunk: Had a sip of one at last Sunday's brunch. :drunk:


A Bloody Beer is also a tasty alternative!
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Maurice Fitzhugh     » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:13 am

I actually did this for one of my two 50th birthday port parties. I picked the Taylor Fladgate ports for the pairing. For the vintage we had the First Estate,2000,1991,1980 and 1970. Yes I know the First Estate is not a vintage but work with me. For the tawny it was the Special Tawny Port, 10, 20, 30 and 40 year old Taylor Fladgate. I started with the youngest moving to the oldest. The vintage was tasted first followed by the tawny each being about a 50ml pour. I likes the comparison of the the bolder vintage with the milder tawny. I liked the older pairings best but who would not. This pairing also featured eight cheeses nuts, chocolates and fruits. It was a day to remember. I think I had more fun planning it out and to share it with good friends because that is what life should be about. Making good memories with friends. The next week was part two of the port party which was a blind vertical of 7 1963 ports and one 1960 because that was my birth year. I am now working on gathering up the ports for my 60th.
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Richard Henderson » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:15 am

We have proabably wondered too far from the original topic to find our way back, but if I am having a 2-3 course dinner I would not open or serve a tawny and a ruby.
I have had port dinners where I served a port or port like wine with each course, an Austlaian sticky with fois gras, ruby with veal scalopine in gargonzloa sauce and a tawny with a toffee pudding.
If it is a tasting to try various ports, yes a little side by side does not matter which is first.
On a regular basis , I think one or the other is best.
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Re: Opening a Tawny and a Vintage Port together ...

Postby Gary Richardson     » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:44 pm

I would open the Vintage first, and then the tawny. This is actually a very timely question for me. My synagague is doing a silent auction fund raiser, and I am thinking of donating a Port "tasting" class. I plan to offer an LBV (probably a well-decanted 2003 Taylor), a Vintage (probably a 1963 Dow's or Graham's), a TWIOA (probably a 30 year Sandeman) and a Colheita (a 1937 Noval). I currently plan to serve in that order, with the bottle-aged Ports served first followed by the barrel-aged Ports.

I am, however, certainly interested in feedback on this line-up and order.

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