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Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:24 am
by Anthony M
I’m curious to know if there are any accepted DEFINING characteristics in the style of VINTAGE PORT between the major shippers/producers and what these defining characteristics are. Can anyone help?

What defining characteristics go through your mind when you consider the various producers?

Are there any articles on the web or in this forum on this topic?

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:30 am
by Frederick Blais
Yes there are differences between the houses. If you can tell or not, I guess it depends on how many times you've tasted the Ports and your quality as a taster.

For example, in the Symington main line of brands, Graham's will be sweeter, Dow's dryer and more tannic while Warre's more feminine and elegant. They achieve those styles by selecting specific vineyards for each brands and also varying some aspect of winemaking.

Then you'll have the single quinta producers and also the single quinta from Port houses, these wines will reflect the style of one quinta in one harvest.

Is there anything written on this already, yes! There are many Port books that go trough most of the Port producers and describe each house. You can look on the producer's website, also you can read a few tasting notes of one same writer over many wines of one house and you should get a feel of it.

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:33 pm
by Eric Ifune
Agree with Fred.
Within the Taylor, Fladgate Group, Taylor's is known for "grip" and it's iron backbone. Fonseca is more voluptuous.

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:46 pm
by Tom Archer
Most of the houses have discernible characteristics, some of which can be readily put in words, others not so easily - both Noval and Niepoort have styles I can usually recognise, but they are very hard to put into words. Some houses also have a style that is quite similar to another - it is quite easy to confuse Graham with Fonseca, for example, also Warre and Cockburn (on older vintages)

Some useful aide memoirs are:

Dow - 'dour'
Fonseca - 'luxuriant'
Graham - 'liquid Xmas pudding'
Taylor - 'bit of a beast'
Sandeman - 'strawberries and cream'

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:43 am
by Bert VD
that is actually quite nice, a list of words that you feel describe the different houses. i don't have enough experience with different producers but it's fun to read

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 am
by Moses Botbol
Croft - slight heat and Mandarin Oranges.

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:01 am
by Eric Menchen
No one has yet mentioned the Taylor warmth. Too much alcohol heat in a Port is unpleasant, but along with its power and grip, I regularly find Taylor to have a well integrated alcohol warmth, more so than many other houses. Maybe others have the alcohol, but not enough other flavors to balance it out.

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:43 am
by Thomas V
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Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:34 pm
by Andy Velebil
I typically find Taylor's to have a bit more pronounced spirit when young. Whereas Fonseca is a more voluptuous sweeter Port.

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:19 pm
by Tom Archer
Croft - slight heat and Mandarin Oranges.
With really old Croft bottles, you can tell it's Croft by the orangey smell - even as soon as you pull the cork; but from '70 onwards, I'm not really seeing it. I wonder whether it acquires it with age - or the style has moved on..

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:01 am
by Moses Botbol
Tom Archer wrote:
Croft - slight heat and Mandarin Oranges.
With really old Croft bottles, you can tell it's Croft by the orangey smell - even as soon as you pull the cork; but from '70 onwards, I'm not really seeing it. I wonder whether it acquires it with age - or the style has moved on..
Who drinks Croft newer than 1970?

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:05 am
by Eric Menchen
Moses Botbol wrote:Who drinks Croft newer than 1970?
Guilty. I hosted a vertical some years ago, and I have a case of 1991 that I'll admit I broke into just to try one. They are good, but I'll probably drink a few more as cellar defenders before long.

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 am
by Moses Botbol
Eric Menchen wrote:
Moses Botbol wrote:Who drinks Croft newer than 1970?
Guilty. I hosted a vertical some years ago, and I have a case of 1991 that I'll admit I broke into just to try one. They are good, but I'll probably drink a few more as cellar defenders before long.
1991 is the best Croft since 1970; better than a cellar defender. I have a case too... I think I have a few bottles of '94 and 2000 as well.

Re: Vintage port house styles - what are they and can you tell the difference?

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:05 am
by Tom Archer
Croft was one the winners from the '75 vintage. '77 is OK but nothing special and the '82 is nothing like as bad as Mayson made it out to be. '85 was a bit of a disaster. It's a long time since I last had the '91 but it was OK, although way too young, back in 2011.